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Post by Sedition: Gladiator on Feb 14, 2011 12:16:06 GMT -6
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Teen Throb
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Post by Teen Throb on Feb 14, 2011 17:06:54 GMT -6
Lots of good points. I like the line about what makes Flairs promos work. I really agree about dumping Big Show. The only thing I disagree with is the idea of reworking him. After 15 years if they haven't come up with a decent idea for him there's little hope there's anything left to do. Then again they found a way to get Kane over last year.
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Post by Miss Mina on Feb 14, 2011 19:19:46 GMT -6
The reason why wrestling isn't very good right now is simple. There's no sense of urgency. There's no sense that anything is at stake.
As for TNA and WWE.... I think this analogy works best.
TNA is the 1990s Devil Rays: bad team, over paid washed up talent and gave them the center stage, while holing back their home grown talent while cheaping out on paying them. Completely, and utterly doomed.
WWE is early 2000s Devil Rays: not a good team, but under the surface, you good see them moving in the right direction. They'd started to push out the aging talent, promote their own talent, traded for the best farm system guys they could (WWE's guys come from other places I know, but all of them [just about] spent time in their system before getting the call up), they had a plan, they were moving in the right direction. They just weren't quite there yet, they just needed to wait on a couple guys to develop, and pull the trigger on a thing or two and they'd be right there. They made the World Series in 08, and won their division last year. WWE is on the verge of being good, really good, again. I just needs to do the above.
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Post by Miss Mina on Feb 14, 2011 20:20:30 GMT -6
Also! I can't call Orton one of the tops. For one simple reason: as much as the crowds get behind him, every time he toches the title ratings tank. It's his act, he's going for 'intense' but it just... doesn't work.
Oh!
And WWE needs to stick with the brand split. Raw and Smackdown should come across each other once a year at Bragging Rights. That would actually make Bragging Rights mean something, instead of the nothing it means now. It means nothing now because Raw and Smackdown are on each others shows so often. This shouldn't happen. Make them cross paths once a year at Bragging Rights and you'll generate some actual meaning for the Pay-Per-View.
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Post by Michael Saint on Feb 18, 2011 14:00:23 GMT -6
I agree with most of what you said.
With Cena as long as the guy is doing the numbers in merchandise we won't see a heel turn. That is the reason he stays the top face in WWE. The WWE seems to come out with a new shirt, hat, etc for the guy every 3 months or so and then all the kiddies buy it. Though I am not a fan of the guy as a wrestler Cena does tons of shit for make a wish which is an admirable thing and actually comes across as a decent humanbeing.
With Christian I am as confused as anyone. We have a guy that the fans are behind. Has great mic skills and works his ass off in the ring. However, WWE does not push him. It is like they are afraid to push anyone that does not have a certain look, because they feel no one will believe it.
Morrison is the man plain and simple. An athlete of that caliber sitting in the lap of WWE and them not doing anything is dumbfounding to me. So what if he lacks mic skills. So did Bret Hart as much as I love him.
Del Rio he might be the best heel in WWE today. Hard pressed to find anyone who is the total package. I like Edge, but want to see Del Rio take the title at mania and have a nice LONG heel reign as champion. Not many screw finishes. The guy actually comes across as intelligent. Use that. WWE likes their faces to always out smart the heels. In ADR you guy a solid worker who has a character that comes across as confident, because he is smart than his opponents. The guy is proof that lucha workers are not just the mid card flyers. Maybe WWE can check out the other promotions south of the border. I can think of a few others that would be able to do this as well.
Miz could not put it better myself.
Barrett is the next golden heel in WWE. He is the man.
Drew could be like Barrett if given an intelligent angle. It is hard to go from being the next big star in WWE to.......losing to a former Dudebuster. Ditch Kelly and make Drew into what Edge was as a heel. Looks good. Sounds decent. Work is coming along.
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Post by Sedition: Gladiator on Feb 19, 2011 22:13:01 GMT -6
Thanks for all the comments, and good points brought out. Love the Devil Rays analogy Doc. I agree that turning John Cena heel from a business standpoint is a bad idea, but they can do something to change him up. A guy can dream right? Anyways Rant #2 of me tearing into TNA has been posted. Feel free to read and comment. sedition.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rant&action=display&thread=982&page=1 |
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Post by Miss Mina on Feb 19, 2011 22:46:41 GMT -6
You were way to nice to TNA.
I still don't get your Matt Hardy love. He's blown every opportunity he's ever been given, and he's just... not that good.
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Post by Mr. Dangerous on Feb 20, 2011 1:30:36 GMT -6
Russo: Ok Rob, you are pretty much our top babyface, which is a sad and pathetic statement, but it is what it is. Tonight you get your title shot. We need you to really sell the importance of winning the title, because the belt has lost all meaning. Van Dam: Hey, I know what to do. How about I show up to the interview stoned, acting all cool, and state that winning the biggest title in our company is just a bonus. Nothing will build a title more than having the top face basically say it`s not important. Russo: Go with it. I like your style. Hmmm, I wonder if David Arquette is around. Isn`t he due for a title reign. Maybe that will make the title more legitimate. Absolute brilliance!!!!! |
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Post by Sedition: The Rev on Feb 21, 2011 9:32:31 GMT -6
I'm totally behind Matt Hardy too. And Jeff Hardy has blown just as many opportunities as Matt, and he seems naturally more messed up and dumb than Matt, and he was given chance after chance after chance until he finally got over. My biggest disappointment is Eric Young. I think he could be the biggest star in the business if pushed as a legit heel.
As for the debate on Cena and needing him for merchandising, remember that when they first turned Hogan heel he was the biggest merchandise seller in WCW by far, and then NWO merchandise dwarfed even when WWF was selling for Austin. Same thing goes for The Rock and Jericho. They were the top merchandise sellers as faces by far, and WWE dared to turn both of them heel and it worked.
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Post by Sedition: Gladiator on Feb 22, 2011 10:14:10 GMT -6
Yes, I was kind to TNA. I could have written much more, but I thought I would try to be constructive in my criticisms. Instead of just calling it a dead company walking I wanted to give some thoughts on how they could rescue it. I do believe it is possible.
As for Matt Hardy, I have never seen him as a top star. I see him as a upper mid card, to lower main event act. He is not great on the mic, but he's passable. He is solid in the ring, and he is a hard worker. Also, the fans respond to him. He was one of those guys that the fans respected enough to give him a solid pop regardless of how much of a push he was getting. This is something that needs to be utilized. I honestly believe TNA missed an opportunity to make him a TNA star, for the reasons I stated in the rant. Though I can understand why some people wouldn't agree about his star power, I think it is there, but needs to be tapped into some.
On the Cena heel debate. I think the problem in WWE right now is a severe lack of marketable faces. They have great heels right now, CM Punk, Wade Barrett, The Miz. The truth is they don`t really need another main event heel right now, and they desperately need some marketable faces. John Cena and Edge are the only faces in the company that WWE seems to trust using on the mic. In that case Cena has to stay as a face, but he doesn`t have to be the goofy, happy go lucky face he is now. Did anyone see Elimination Chamber. He has a promo where he is eating Fruity Pebbles and says Yabba Dabba Doo. I kid you not. They really need to repackage Cena some. Kids will still buy his armbands if he doesn`t make stupid jokes and shows a little more intensity, and a little more edge.
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Post by Miss Mina on Feb 25, 2011 19:35:18 GMT -6
Ah, I get you. I just could neer stomach him because he has the worst looking punches ever.
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Post by Sedition: Gladiator on Feb 26, 2011 22:32:13 GMT -6
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Post by Sedition: The Rev on Feb 28, 2011 22:58:54 GMT -6
I think last minute panic has lead to so much of their new talent being dumped from major matches. There was nothing to hype Wrestlemania like in past years. No veterans returning or no retirement matches. Throwing Triple H and Undertaker together is both what might save Wrestlemania, and also sunk it at the same time. There would have been better feuds and matches for both guys, but they needed a big draw with established talent, so last minute changes result in Barrett especially getting dumped on. I will agree that Cena in a title match is too much. As I was reading I thought to myself that even Hogan hadn't headlined that many Wrestlemania title matches, and you pointed out the same thing.
If I had booked Wrestlemania I would have built up an Edge/Christian feud from the Rumble until now, but kept the title out of the picture. Morrison would have taken Elimination Chamber and WM would have Miz vs Morrison as former friends turned enemies. Then Del Rio and Kane as the other title match.
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Post by Ian DeTornado on Mar 3, 2011 4:02:37 GMT -6
I agree with Rev... Morrison should be headlining with Miz on WM!
(We had seen too much of Cena these past years... making me sick of him)
WWE put Rock to WM and trying to add some star power... "but it doesn't matter"... coz it aint work, The Rock's appearance to Raw didn't generate higher ratings (according to cable media meter of some sort).
The side feud between Rock and Cena made The Miz and their title match forgettable... people are more interested on Rock vs. Cena rather than the WWE championship match.
WM should be the closure of the HHH and Sheamus' story and to Taker and Barrett/Kane too.... HHH vs. Taker aint excite me.... Taker vs. Corre in a handicap match would be cool for me... well it's just me LOL.
On Orton vs. Punk, as I can remember, their storyline is about punk getting revenge to Orton for the Legacy's attack to Punk three years ago which caused Punk to forfeit his HW Title... well who cares about three years ago...everybody already forgot that... and the New Nexus angle sucks!
and thumbs up for Del Rio to win the HW crown on WM!!!
Cody vs. Mysterio? how about if they will make it Rhodes (Dusty and Cody) vs. Mysterio and SinCara...?
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Post by Michael Saint on Mar 14, 2011 7:00:53 GMT -6
You can almost draw a parallel between what is going on with Miz now and what happened to Bret Hart before WM12.
Miz is going into the ppv looking like a joke. He gets two clean defenses of the title. One against Lawler at Elimination Chamber and one against Morrison on RAW. He can't beat Orton clean and WWE pretty much makes it known that Orton is not as great as Cena (not my opinion, but a fact in the minds of WWE creative.). He is feuding with an announcer. Rock comes into the thing and Miz the WWE CHAMPION!!!!!! is just second banana. Look no one thinks Miz will retain at Mania I mean come on, but does WWE need to be so blatant about it
Now flash back to right before WM12. Bret Hart gets an upset win over Diesel(Nash) and right after the win he is promtly DESTROYED by Deisel the last thing you see at the end of that Survivor Series is the WWE Champion getting helped by a ref. Bret a month later gets his one clean win as champion over Davey Boy Smith The British Bulldog a great match, but Davey was at the level Morrison is now he is a upper mid carder. At the Rumble he loses by DQ to Undertaker the worst part is it looked like Taker had him beat if Nash did not interfere. A month later Bret beats Nash in a cage match......with what? Help from Undertaker. Meanwhile HBK looks like a million bucks going into the WM12 main event. We get to see Shawn running up bleacners. We get to see Bret.....jogging the snowy roads of Canada. We see Shawn doing upside down sit ups and other cool cardio. We see Bret........barely able to swim a lap in his pool. We see Shawn doing lucha style training with his mentor. We see Bret......getting stretched and in agony by his nearly 80 year old father at the time. Shawn was going in as superman. Bret was going in to drop his title to Shawn. It was laughable that they made Bret looks so bad.
You know once upon a time when two people were going to be in the WWE title match at Mania they went in looking strong. Look at Rock before WM15 yeah he lost to Foley twice, but in doing so showed a mean streak he never did before. I think they missed a chance to do that for Miz. What should have happend at Elimination Chamber? He should have beat Lawler to near death and left him in a pool of his own blood. Yeah he would have beat up an old man, but still at least he showed he can beat people up if he is motivated.
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